Minutes of the 10th December 2020 Teleconference     Austin-1087 Page 1 of 1
Submitted by Andrew Josey, The Open Group. 12th December 2020

Attendees:
    Don Cragun, IEEE PASC OR
    Joerg Schilling, FOKUS Fraunhofer
    Nick Stoughton, USENIX, ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 22 OR
    Andrew Josey, The Open Group
    Geoff Clare, The Open Group
    Richard Hansen
    Mark Ziegast, SHware Systems Dev.


Apologies:
    Tom Thompson, IEEE
    Eric Blake, Red Hat, The Open Group OR
    Eric Ackermann

* General news 

We agreed that the 17th December meeting will be the last meeting before the New Year.

* Outstanding actions

(Please note that this section has been flushed to shorten the minutes -
to locate the previous set of outstanding actions, look to the minutes
from 13th June 2019 and earlier)

Bug 1254: "asynchronous list" description uses "command" instead of "AND-OR list" OPEN
https://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1254
Action: Joerg to investigate how his shell behaves.

Bug 700 - Nick to raise this issue with the C committee
Bug 713 - Nick to raise with the C committee.
Bug 739 - Nick to raise with the C committee.


* Current Business


Bug 1347: stderr access mode - "is expected to be" is not defined    Accepted as Marked
https://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1347

This item is tagged for TC3-2008.

On page 65 before line 1912 (XBD "interactive shell") insert a new definition and renumber the remaining:

    Interactive Device

    A terminal device.

    Note: This definition is intended to align with the ISO C standard's use of "interactive device".

On page 496 lines 17224-17228 (XSH 2.5 Standard I/O Streams) and
page 2017 lines 64723-64727 (XSH stderr, stdin, stdout DESCRIPTION)
change:
    At program start-up, three streams shall be predefined and need
    not be opened explicitly: standard input (for reading conventional
    input), standard output (for writing conventional output), and
    standard error (for writing diagnostic output). When opened,
    the standard error stream is not fully buffered; the standard
    input and standard output streams are fully buffered if and
    only if the stream can be determined not to refer to an interactive
    device.
to:
    At program start-up, three streams shall be predefined and
    already open: stdin (standard input, for conventional input)
    for reading, stdout (standard output, for conventional output)
    for writing, and stderr (standard error, for diagnostic output)
    for writing. When opened, stderr shall not be fully buffered;
    stdin and stdout shall be fully buffered if and only if [CX]the
    file descriptor associated with the stream is determined not
    to be associated with an interactive device.[/CX]


On page 2017 line 64733 (XSH stdin DESCRIPTION), change:
    The stderr stream is expected to be open for reading and writing.
to:

    These file descriptors are often all associated with a single
    open file description which has access mode O_RDWR (e.g., in
    the case of a terminal device for a login shell). However, the
    stderr, stdin, and stdout streams need not be opened for both
    reading and writing at program start-up in this case.


On page 2017 line 64747 (stdin SEE ALSO) add isatty().


Bug 1348: "the exec() family of functions" should not include "()"        Accept
https://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1348

This item is tagged TC3-2008.

Bug 1367: mailx: add -E option to discard (not send) empty messages
https://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1367

This item is tagged Issue 8.

On page 2943 line 97431 (mailx SYNOPSIS) change:
    <tt>mailx [−s subject] address...</tt>

to:
    <tt>mailx [-E] [−s subject] address...</tt>


On page 2944, insert after line 97471:
    -E Discard messages with an empty message body.


On page 2964 line 98259 (mailx EXIT STATUS) change:
    Successful completion; note that this status implies that all
    messages were sent, ...

to:
    Successful completion; note that in Send Mode this status implies
    that all messages were either sent or successfully discarded
    (see -E), ...


Bug 1368: Unworldly use of redirection and mailx(1) in at(1) and batch(1) examples.         OPEN
https://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1368


We started this item and will continue next time


Gettext draft.

We will return to this on a future call.

The gettext draft in the etherpad is at

https://posix.rhansen.org/p/gettext_draft
https://posix.rhansen.org/p/gettext_split

Next Steps 
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The next calls are on:



December 14th 2020 (Monday) 
This call will be for 60 minutes.

December 17th 2020 (Thursday)
This call will be for 90 minutes.

This will be the last call before the New Year.

January 4th 2021 (Monday) 
This call will be for 60 minutes.

Apologies in advance:
Tom Thompson (rest of December).

Calls are anchored on US time. (8am Pacific) 

Please check the calendar invites for dial in details.

Bugs are at:
https://austingroupbugs.net

An etherpad is usually up for the meeting, with a URL using the date format as below:

https://posix.rhansen.org/p/20xx-mm-dd

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