Minutes of the 6th March 2025 Teleconference Austin-1447 Page 1 of 1 Submitted by Andrew Josey, The Open Group. 9 March 2025 Attendees: Don Cragun, IEEE SA OR Andrew Josey, The Open Group Nick Stoughton, USENIX, ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 22 OR Eric Ackermann, CISPA Eric Blake, Red Hat, The Open Group OR Geoff Clare, The Open Group Haelwenn Monnier, The Open Group Note that daylight savings times starts in the US on 2025-03-09 and so the meetings will be 1 hour earlier in Europe un 2025-03-31. We confirmed the calendar for upcoming meetings, adding a meeting on March 20th. Please note that the US adjusts its clocks Andrew introduced Haelwenn who has joined The Open Group and is working with Geoff. We discussed the ISO status, with the direction that the project will be withdrawn at JTC 1, and submitted instead by IEEE through the PSDO process. There are various questions to answer about the future status of the relationship with ISO/IEC JTC 1 SC22 that Andrew and Nick will take on with the ISO contacts. * Open Business Bug 1876: clarify, whether a trap action that is executed from a OPEN context where set -e is ignored, would have set -e ignored, too https://www.austingroupbugs.net/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=1876 Andrew took an action to ask shell developers to comment on this issue. (completed by sending an email to the reflector: austin-group-l:archive/latest/37925). Bug 864: Insufficient specification of storage requirements for synchronization objects https://www.austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=864 AI: Andrew to contact Rich Felker to determine whether or not items 1 an 4 have been resolved by section 2.9.9 and to get suggested wording for changes to address items 2 and 3. The action was completed, but no response received as yet. Bug 1904: LC_TIME era start_date (and end_date) possibly mis-specified https://www.austingroupbugs.net/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=1904 This was discussed during the 2025-02-13 meeting: Historically, there was no year 0 and the standard is worded to reflect this fact. Is this what implementation actually do? Andrew had completed an action to ask for input on what other implementations do and some feedback has been received so need to return to this on a future call. * Current Business Bug 1911: Clearify & consistently define "subexpression" for ERE. https://www.austingroupbugs.net/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=1911 Action: Geoff to propose wording changes (completed after the meeting). Bug 1616: Standardize mktemp utility OPEN https://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1616 We discussed this item at length. A.I Eric B: Prepare a script that will collect behaviors of these various cases, and output from running that script on multiple platforms A.I. Don submit a separate bug for ... Multiple utilities (mkdir, mkfifo, touch, link, ln, sh, m4, gencat, and now mktemp) have OUTPUT FILES: None even though they can create one or more output files. Next Steps ---------- The next calls are on Thu 2025-03-13 (WEBEX meeting - general bugs) Thu 2025-03-20 (WEBEX meeting - general bugs) The calls are for 90 minutes Calls are anchored on US time. (8am Pacific) Apologies in advance Eric Blake, 2025-03-13 Please check the calendar invites for dial in details. Bugs are at: https://austingroupbugs.net An etherpad is usually up for the meeting, with a URL using the date format as below: https://posix.rhansen.org/p/20xx-mm-dd (For write access this uses The Open Group single sign on, for those individuals with gitlab.opengroup.org accounts. Please contact Andrew if you need to be setup)