Minutes of the 3rd April 2025 Teleconference    Austin-1451 Page 1 of 1
Submitted by Andrew Josey, The Open Group.        4th April 2025

Attendees:
    Don Cragun, IEEE SA OR
    Andrew Josey, The Open Group
    Nick Stoughton, USENIX, ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 22 OR
    Geoff Clare, The Open Group
    Mark Brown
    Haelwenn Monnier, The Open Group
    Eric Ackermann, CISPA


We confirmed the calendar for upcoming meetings, there is no
meeting on April 17th, the next one after that being
April 24th.

The ISO status is that SC22 has circulated N5989 which is
a resolution to withdraw revision of ISO/IEC 9945.
Wording is as follows:

"To allow for all three organizations ISO/IEC JTC1, The Open Group,
and IEEE to have the identical standard for POSIX, the SC 22
leadership is requesting the following CIB resolution.

Do you approve the following?
CIB Resolution 25-02: Withdrawal of the Revision of ISO/IEC 9945
SC 22 agrees to withdraw the revision of ISO/IEC 9945 with the
intent to process the revision of the ISO/IEC 9945 as adoption under
the ISO/IEEE PSDO."

The vote closes on 2025-04-29. After that date IEEE will then submit
under the ISO/IEEE PSDO process.


* Open Business

Bug 1876: clarify, whether a trap action that is executed from a   OPEN
context where set -e is ignored, would have set -e ignored, too
https://www.austingroupbugs.net/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=1876

Andrew took an action to ask shell developers to comment on this
issue.  (completed by sending an email to the reflector:
austin-group-l:archive/latest/37925).

Bug 864: Insufficient specification of storage requirements for synchronization objects
https://www.austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=864

AI: Andrew to contact Rich Felker to determine whether or not items
1 an 4 have been resolved by section 2.9.9 and to get suggested
wording for changes to address items 2 and 3.  The action was
completed, but no response received as yet.


Bug 1904: LC_TIME era start_date (and end_date) possibly mis-specified
https://www.austingroupbugs.net/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=1904
This was discussed during the 2025-02-13 meeting:
    Historically, there was no year 0 and the standard is worded
    to reflect this fact.  Is this what implementation actually do?

Andrew had completed an action to ask for input on what other implementations
do and some feedback has been received so need to return to this on a future call.


* Current Business

We discussed whether to close bug 1893 (onlinepubs). It was felt that after
the general update to the document converter remaining issues
will need to be considered individually. We should look to close this item
soon.

We skipped over bug 1913 and will wait for feedback from Chet Ramey.


Bug 1915: clarification of 2.6.5 field splitting of 2.5.2 special parameter $*
https://www.austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1915
We need the shell authors to decide on this item.
2025-03-27: AI Andrew: Ask shell developers for guidance on requirements.
The action from last week was completed and this item is awaiting input.


As there were no new bugs we closed the meeting early.

Next Steps 
We will start on bug 1913 next time.

The next calls are on
    Thu 2025-04-10 (WEBEX meeting - general bugs)
    Thu 2025-04-10 NO MEETING
    Thu 2025-04-24 (WEBEX meeting - general bugs)

The calls are for 90 minutes

Calls are anchored on US time. (8am Pacific)


Please check the calendar invites for dial in details.

Bugs are at:
https://austingroupbugs.net

An etherpad is usually up for the meeting, with a URL using the date
format as below:

https://posix.rhansen.org/p/20xx-mm-dd

(For write access this uses The Open Group single sign on,
for those individuals with gitlab.opengroup.org accounts.
Please contact Andrew if you need to be setup)