Minutes of the 19th June 2025 Teleconference Austin-1460 Page 1 of 1 Submitted by Andrew Josey, The Open Group. 21st June 2025 Attendees: Andrew Josey, The Open Group Nick Stoughton, USENIX, ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 22 OR Haelwenn Monnier, The Open Group Geoff Clare, The Open Group Eric Blake, Red Hat, The Open Group OR Mark Brown Apologies Eric Ackermann, CISPA * General business We confirmed the calendar for upcoming meetings, the next meeting is June 26th. Andrew noted that there was no new status update on the IEEE PSDO process. * Open Business Bug 1876: clarify, whether a trap action that is executed from a OPEN context where set -e is ignored, would have set -e ignored, too https://www.austingroupbugs.net/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=1876 Andrew took an action to ask shell developers to comment on this issue. (completed by sending an email to the reflector: austin-group-l:archive/latest/37925). Bug 864: Insufficient specification of storage requirements for synchronization objects https://www.austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=864 AI: Andrew to contact Rich Felker to determine whether or not items 1 an 4 have been resolved by section 2.9.9 and to get suggested wording for changes to address items 2 and 3. The action was completed, but no response received as yet. Bug 1904: LC_TIME era start_date (and end_date) possibly mis-specified https://www.austingroupbugs.net/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=1904 This was discussed during the 2025-02-13 meeting: Historically, there was no year 0 and the standard is worded to reflect this fact. Is this what implementation actually do? Andrew had completed an action to ask for input on what other implementations do and some feedback has been received so need to return to this on a future call. * Current Business Bug 1927: Add sponge utility https://www.austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1927 This item was discussed at length again. [Action to Eric B] Start a 30-day request for comments on whether The Open Group should sponsor the addition of this interface. glibc realloc() behavior We then discussed an issue about glibc realloc behavior. (No bug report had been filed as yet) glibc, musl, gnulib lists have been active this week with cross-posted arguments on whether glibc complies with the various versions of C and POSIX requirements on realloc(p,0): https://sourceware.org/pipermail/libc-alpha/2025-June/167942.html - malloc.3: Clarify realloc(3) standards conformance Alejandro Colomar is trying to get glibc to make malloc(0) consistent with realloc(p,0) (ie. either both should return NULL or neither), to match musl Alejandro is also proposing WG14 papers to try and further change future C wording, based on N3550: https://www.alejandro-colomar.es/src/alx/alx/wg14/alx-0029.git/tree/alx-0029.txt Related ones on musl side of things (gnulib and libc-alpha seems to be CC'ed on most emails): https://www.openwall.com/lists/musl/2025/06/19/2 - malloc.3: Clarify realloc(3) standards conformance https://www.openwall.com/lists/musl/2025/06/16/1 - BUG: realloc(p,0) should be consistent with malloc(0) Some relevant wg14 papers: https://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg14/www/docs/n2438.htm https://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg14/www/docs/n2464.pdf [Action to Eric B] - respond to the thread and invite Alejandro to open a bug against POSIX if we still need to address wording issues https://lists.gnu.org/r/bug-gnulib/2025-06/msg00196.html https://sourceware.org/pipermail/libc-alpha/2025-June/167978.html Next Steps We will start on the latest open bug or loop back to bug 1616. The next calls are on Thu 2025-06-26 (WEBEX meeting - general bugs) The calls are for 90 minutes Calls are anchored on US time. (8am Pacific) Please check the calendar invites for dial in details. Bugs are at: https://austingroupbugs.net An etherpad is usually up for the meeting, with a URL using the date format as below: https://posix.rhansen.org/p/20xx-mm-dd (For write access this uses The Open Group single sign on, for those individuals with gitlab.opengroup.org accounts. Please contact Andrew if you need to be setup)