Austin Group Minutes of the 19 May Teleconference Austin-256 Page 1 of 1
Submitted by Andrew Josey, The Open Group.              May 20, 2005

Attendees

Andrew Josey, The Open Group
Don Cragun , Sun, PASC OR
Mark Brown, IBM, TOG OR
Nick Stoughton, USENIX, ISO/IEC OR


Apologies:
Ulrich Drepper, Red Hat
Mats Wichmann

We also had an IRC channel open for this call

 	 irc://irc.freestandards.org/austin

Action item review 
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Just the updates on Austin/240r1 are noted here.

ACTION AI-2005-01-09 Andrew Josey & Mats Wichmann to propose a time and place
for a joint Austin group/LSB Workgroup meeting to consider LSB/POSIX
conflicts, to be held as soon as conveniently possible.
Status: OPEN

Nick reported that LSB 3.0-rc1 is in 30 day review which is due to
complete on the 1 June 2005. It is still on track. The ISO ballot closed
on May 10, and positive. The LSB plans to address the comments received.

Nick still has an action to prepare an agenda for a teleconference.


ACTION AI-2005-01-06: AJ to contact Jack McCann at HP for views on
getnameinfo document, and for any other networking issues that may
concern us. 
Status: OPEN, looking for a volunteer to acts as a liaison to
the networking folks at IETF
Nick reported that he might have some possible candidates.


Defect Report Processing
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The group picked up on the latest batch of defect reports,
which are available at the following URL:
http://www.opengroup.org/austin/aardvark/latest/

XCU ERN 58 who -b A/M

We revisited this ERN from last week.
Geoff commented in mail sequence austin-group-l 8331 that instead of
item 4 below this should instead be solved by specifying in the STDOUT section
that <terminal state> is a space character for lines that do not relate
to a terminal.

(proposal from last week)
Revise the -b option as follows:

 1. Use the same term as in XBD:

 -b Write the time and date of the last system reboot.

2. Add a sentence
 The system reboot time is the time at which the implementation is able
 to commence running processes.

3. In the STDOUT section add to the XSI shaded text
"XSI-conformant systems shall write the default information to the standard
output in the following general format:
  ...."

 For the -b option, <line> shall be "system boot". The <name> is unspecified.


4. Change the 3rd line of SYNOPSIS

from

who [-mTu][-abdHlprt][file]

To:
who [-mu][-adHlprt][-b|-T][file]

(end proposal from last week)

It was agreed that this was a better solution.

Replace item 4 above with

In the STDOUT sectoin (on page 1053)
Add after line 40602 
<space> This entry is not associated with a terminal.


Picking up from Larry Dwyer's note after the meeting
A suggested change for the next revision is to change
the definitions in

In XBD  Chapter 3 Definitions
System Boot  should be added with the current text for the definition of
System Reboot
                                                                                
And System Reboot should simply state
"See System Boot"



XSH ERN 95 perror

Don reported that he is going to file an interpretation request against
the C standard.  Many existing implementations are able to do a perror()
independent of the orientation of the standard error stream, and he
feels there should be a requirement not modify the orientation of the stream
as currently stated in POSIX.

As a result of this we have changed the disposition of ERN 80
to become a duplicate of 95.


Next Steps
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Andrew  will update the aardvark reports with the latest inbound
defect reports.


The next call is  Thursday May 26 2005 
irc://irc.freestandards.org/austin