Austin Group Minutes of the 9 June Teleconference Austin-260 Page 1 of 1
Submitted by Andrew Josey, The Open Group.              June 10, 2005

Attendees
Andrew Josey, The Open Group
Don Cragun , Sun, PASC OR
Mats Wichmann
Nick Stoughton, USENIX, ISO/IEC OR
Ulrich Drepper, Red Hat
Spencer Chang, Russian Academy of Science
Mark Brown, IBM, TOG OR


We also had an IRC channel open for this call

 	 irc://irc.freestandards.org/austin

Action item review 
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Just the updates on Austin/240r1 are noted here.

ACTION AI-2005-01-09 Andrew Josey & Mats Wichmann to propose a time and place
for a joint Austin group/LSB Workgroup meeting to consider LSB/POSIX
conflicts, to be held as soon as conveniently possible.
Status: OPEN

LSB 3.0 is still in review, it is now release candidate 4.
Expected to be the final rc, expected to close June 14.
The lsbinstall utility is now in an informative annex marked
future directions.
We do not anticipate any major changes to the conflicts document.
Nick still has an action to prepare an agenda for a teleconference.


ACTION AI-2005-01-06: AJ to contact Jack McCann at HP for views on
getnameinfo document, and for any other networking issues that may
concern us. 
Status: OPEN, looking for a volunteer to acts as a liaison to
the networking folks at IETF
Nick reported that he might have some possible candidates.


Defect Report Processing
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The group picked up on the latest batch of defect reports,
which are available at the following URL:
http://www.opengroup.org/austin/aardvark/latest/


XSH ERN 89 setpgrp OPEN

Andrew has the action (completed) to contact the requestor
and request more information on the problem that has
been encountered with the current wording. 
Also ask whether he believes the wording of setsid() needs
to be changed.

This item remains open pending response from original requestor.
Andrew has an action to remind  the originator .

XCU ERN 63 ls -l output   Accept

Handle as an interpretation request (defect).
The standards states the requirements, and conforming implementations must
conform to this. However, concerns have been raised about this
which are being referred to the sponsor.
The suggested changes to be put forward as proposed text for
a future revision.


                                                                                
XCU ERN 64 dd seek extend file  Accept as marked

Handle as an interpretation request (THE UNADDRESSED ISSUE).
The standard does not speak to this issue, and as such
no conformance distinction can be made between alternative
implementations based on this. This is being referred to the
sponsor.

The following is proposed text for a future revision:

 Insert before the closing parenthesis on line 11770:
                                                                                
     "If the input file is empty and either the size of the seek is
     greater than the previous size of the output file or the output
     file did not previously exist, the size of the output file shall
     be set to the file offset after the seek."

Rationale:
Some concerns raised over whether we should specify the behavior.
Was there a need to change the behavior? The working group
decided that this should assist  more  applications than it breaks.

XSH ERN 99 read Accept as marked below

Handle as an interpretation request (THE UNADDRESSED ISSUE).
The standard does not speak to this issue, and as such
no conformance distinction can be made between alternative
implementations based on this. 
This silence on the matter by the standard is intentional.


XSH ERN 98 select() FD_SETSIZE Accept as marked below

Handle as an interpretation request (THE UNAMBIGUOUS SITUATION)

The standard clearly states that FD_SETSIZE is a fixed limit,and
conforming implementations must conform to this

Redefinition of FD_SETSIZE by applications is non-conforming
behavior, and the effects are not specified in the standard.
It was also felt that applications can use the poll() interface
for handling larger numbers of file descriptors.


Next Steps

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Andrew  will update the aardvark reports with the latest inbound
defect reports.


The next call is  Thursday June 23 2005 
irc://irc.freestandards.org/austin


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