Minutes of the 9th Dec 2010 Teleconference Austin-507 Page 1 of 1 Submitted by Andrew Josey, The Open Group. December 11 , 2010 Attendees Andrew Josey, The Open Group Don Cragun, PASC OR Mark Brown, IBM, TOG OR Geoff Clare, The Open Group Eric Blake, Red Hat Nick Stoughton, USENIX, ISO/IEC OR Darrin Johnson, Oracle Joe George, Oracle Apologies Jim Pugsley, Oracle There has been no progress on the status of the PASC chair , and we agreed we need to pick this up in the New Year. The current outstanding action is to determine who the voting members of the SEC are. * We first discussed some items that had been generating email traffic on the reflector Bug 0000249: Add standard support for $'...' in shell Accepted as marked http://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=249 A proposal had been circulated to modify the previous proposed change (see mail sequence 15087). It was agreed to update the response (bugnote 590) to address this. Bug 0000336: Add recursive variable indirection in makefiles REOPENED http://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=336 This had previously been closed, but based on email traffic and concerns raised has now been reopened. Additional comments were added to the bug to document the latest status. During the 9 Dec 2010 meeting, the following points were raised: HP-UX make has a nesting limit of 100, IRIX make has a nesting limit of 1 (that is, IRIX did not support two levels of recursion). IRIX is no longer supported by SGI, so that does not influence the standard, but wording to this effect is needed: In a macro definition, behavior is unspecified if string2 recursively refers the expansion of string1, or if string2 has more than levels of nested macros requiring expansion. where needs some rationale and needs to be somewhere between 1 and 100. Also to be explored is whether all implementations support ${A} and $(A) synonymously (previous testing only focused on nesting via $(A)); and whether nesting via subst1 and subst2 in ${A:subst1=subst2} is universally supported. * Open Interpretations Interpretations 302 and 327 have now completed their 30 day review. No significant comments were raised and these have now been approved. Action: Andrew to consider starting a new batch of interpretations * We picked up on regular Bug processing Bug 346 ceil and floor OPEN http://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=346 Eric had completed his action from last time. There was a discussion about whether this should be addressed by POSIX or left to the C committee. It was suggested that we contact Fred Tydeman to ask him his opinion. Next Steps ---------- The next call will be on Dec 16th at 09:00 Pacific and will continue processing defect reports. This call will be for the regular 90 minutes. http://austingroupbugs.net See the calendar for the list of dialup numbers. An IRC channel will be available for the meeting irc://irc.freestandards.org #austin ICAL: http://www.google.com/calendar/ical/nvctqtstkuni3fab9k3jqtrt4g@group.calendar.google.com/public/basic XML: http://www.google.com/calendar/feeds/nvctqtstkuni3fab9k3jqtrt4g@group.calendar.google.com/public/basic