Minutes of the 23rd June 2016 Teleconference     Austin-769 Page 1 of 1
Submitted by Andrew Josey, The Open Group. 24th June 2016

Attendees:
    Andrew Josey, The Open Group 
    Don Cragun, IEEE PASC OR
    Joerg Schilling, FOKUS Fraunhofer
    Martin Rehak, Oracle
    Mark Ziegast, SHware Systems Dev.
    Roger Faulkner, Oracle, The Open Group OR
    David Clissold, IBM
    Nick Stoughton, USENIX, ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 22 OR
    Richard Hansen

Apologies
    Geoff Clare, The Open Group
    Eric Blake, Red Hat

* General news
Andrew reported that the TC has now been approved by The Open Group
Governing Board. We will wait for IEEE approval before proceeding with the
next steps. Don asked about whether we would publish simultaneously at ISO,
Andrew will followup with ISO and our IEEE staff liaison.

Andrew also reminded all that the merged draft is available for review
including the change history:
https://www.opengroup.org/austin/restricted/2008tc2d4/Preview-Base2013+TC2D4.pdf

At IEEE, P1003.1-2008/Cor2 (C/PA) "IEEE Draft Standard for Information
Technology - Portable Operating System Interface (POSIX(R)) -
Corrigendum 2" will be reviewed by RevCom on 29 June 2016.



* Outstanding actions

( Please note that this section has been flushed to shorten the minutes -
to locate the previous set of outstanding actions, look to the minutes
from 28 Jan 2016)

Bug #249: Add standard support for $'...' in shell   Reopened
http://austingroupbugs.net/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=249
We will return to bug 249 on a future call.

Bug #953  0000953: Alias expansion is under-specified   Was Accepted as Marked
http://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=953
Richard has an action to propose new wording to discuss in a future telecon.

* Current Business


Bug 0000982: Ambiguity in dlopen's definition of "load order" for symbol resolution        
http://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=982 OPEN

Roger took an action item to ask the Oracle dynamic linker team to
comment on bug #982.
 
Roger has completed the action and sent a message to the reflector.
This will be considered in a future meeting.


Bug 0000983: awk's rand()/srand() spec not useful Accept as Marked
http://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=983 

This is marked for TC3-2008.

An interpretation is required.

Interpretation response:
The standard does not speak to this issue, and as such no conformance
distinction can be made between alternative implementations based
on this. This is being referred to the sponsor.

Rationale:
The behavior in this area varies between various implementation of
awk.

Notes to the Editor (not part of this interpretation):

Replace the description of rand() in the awk EXTENDED DESCRIPTION
on P2467 L79046 with:

    Return a floating point pseudo-random number n, such that 0<=n<1.

Replace the description of srand() in the awk EXTENDED DESCRIPTION
on P2467, L79047-79078 with:

    Set the seed value for rand to expr or use the seconds since
    the Epoch if expr is omitted. The previous seed value shall be
    returned. The behavior is unspecified if expr is not an integer
    expression. The initial seed value is unspecified if rand is
    called without calling srand first. The srand function uses the
    argument as a seed for a new sequence of pseudo-random numbers
    to be returned by subsequent calls to rand. If srand is then
    called with the same seed value, the sequence of pseudo-random
    numbers shall be repeated.

Next Steps
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The next call is on June 30, 2016 (a Thursday)

Apologies in advance from Martin (for the next 3 weeks)

Calls are anchored on US time. (8am Pacific) 

This call will be for the regular 90 minutes.

http://austingroupbugs.net

An IRC channel will be available for the meeting
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An etherpad is usually up for the meeting, with a URL using the date format as below:

http://posix@posix.rhansen.org:9001/p/201x-mm-dd
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