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RE: quoted characters

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Subject: RE: quoted characters
From: yyyyyyyyyy@xxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 09:05:26 -0700 (PDT)
Glen,
        Three examples are the following from XBD6 draft 1:
Page 10, L239-243:
2.37    Brackets
        The characters [ (left-bracket) and ] (right-bracket), also
        known as square brackets.  When used in the phrase ``enclosed
        in (square) brackets'' the symbol [ immediately precedes the
        object to be enclosed, and ] immediately follows it.  When
        describing these characters in the portable character set, the
        names <left-square-bracket> adn <right-square-bracket> are
        used.
Page 38, L951-953:
2.204 Period
        The character (.).  The term period is contrasted with dot,
        which is used to describe a specific directory entry.
and Page 107, L3399:
        ELLIPSIS        The string ...

        I would prefer to see these written as they were described in
POSIX.2 as follows:
2.37    Brackets
        The characters ``['' (left-bracket) and ``]'' (right-bracket),
        also known as square brackets.  When used in the phrase
        ``enclosed in (square) brackets'' the symbol ``['' immediately
        precedes the object to be enclosed, and ``]'' immediately
        follows it.  When describing these characters in the portable
        character set, the names <left-square-bracket> adn
        <right-square-bracket> are used.

2.204 Period
        The character '.'.  The term period is contrasted with dot,
        which is used to describe a specific directory entry.

        ELLIPSIS        The string "...".

        Thanks,
        Don

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>From: "Seeds, Glen" <yyyyyyyyyy@xxxxxxxxxx>
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>Subject: RE: quoted characters
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>Although I tend to agree with Don, I'm not sure everyone I know exactly what
>we're talking about here. Could someone volunteer an example?
>  /glen
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Don Cragun [mailto:yyyyyyyyyy@xxxxxxxxxxx]
>Sent: July 01, 1999 1:26 PM
>To: yyyyyyyyyyyy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: Re: A note from our Editors (was Bug in XBD)
>
>...
>
>>
>>3. All characters in XSH and XBD were changed to no quotes. The use of
>>quotes was more confusing than not having them, since sometimes the quotes
>>are meaningful. However, this has not yet been done in XCU. During the
>>final stages of the last version, we were asked to add quotes to all
>>characters in XCU. However, this could never have been done thoroughly on
>>an automatic basis (and as it turns out was very badly done) because the
>>files were in such a messy state. We have therefore got halfway through
>>sorting out this problem during my major recode of XCU. Reversing this
>>decision is possible, but we would advise against it.
>
>I disagree with the decision to remove quotes.  (But I know I have lost
>this battle before.)  In many cases, there is no confusion and either
>form is readable.  In other cases, not having quotes makes the meaning
>ambiguous (Does an ellipsis contain two or three periods?  [See
>XBD6/d1, P107, L3399.]) or easy to misinterpret (I can't find it now,
>but when I was reading through the draft there was one paragraph I had
>to read four times to figure out which parentheses were presenting
>parenthetical elements and which were literal characters.).  I have not
>seen any cases where having quotes makes the meaning ambiguous.
>
>>
>>The Austin Group Editors
>>
>>-----
>>Andrew Josey                                The Open Group
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>>Email: yyyyyyy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx                Reading,Berks.RG1 1AX,England
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