Minutes of the 27th February 2020 Teleconference     Austin-1008 Page 1 of 1
Submitted by Andrew Josey, The Open Group. 29th February 2020


Attendees:
    Don Cragun, IEEE PASC OR
    Nick Stoughton, USENIX, ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 22 OR
    Mark Ziegast, SHware Systems Dev.
    Joerg Schilling, FOKUS Fraunhofer
    Eric Blake, Red Hat, Open Group OR
    Eric Ackermann, HPI, University of Potsdam
    Geoff Clare, The Open Group
    Andrew Josey, The Open Group


* General news 

Joerg reported that the gettext proposal would be brought forward
soon for discussion.

* Outstanding actions

(Please note that this section has been flushed to shorten the minutes -
to locate the previous set of outstanding actions, look to the minutes
from 13th June 2019 and earlier)

Bug 1254: "asynchronous list" description uses "command" instead of "AND-OR list" OPEN
https://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1254
Action: Joerg to investigate how his shell behaves.

Bug 700 - Nick to raise this issue with the C committee
Bug 713 - Nick to raise with the C committee.
Bug 739 - Nick to raise with the C committee.
Bug 1216 - Eric to ask if The Open Group is willing to sponsor this interface, referencing bug note 4478.


* Current Business

Bug 1317: Require fork handlers to be called in certain conditions Accepted as Marked
https://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1317 

An interpretation is required.

This item is tagged for TC3-2008.


Interpretation response:
The standard states that popen() must call atfork handlers, and it
is unspecified if system() call atfork handlers, and conforming
implementations must conform to this. However, concerns have been
raised about this which are being referred to the sponsor.

Rationale:
Several existing implementations behave in different ways with
respect to calling handlers, but this is important information for
application developers.

Notes to the Editor (not part of this interpretation):

At page 2107, line 67569 - 67570 section system(), change:
    It is unspecified whether the handlers registered with
    pthread_atfork( ) are called as part of the creation of the
    child process.
to:
    It is implementation-defined whether the handlers registered
    with pthread_atfork( ) are called as part of the creation of
    the child process.

At page 1437 line 47731 section popen(), change:
    where shell path is an unspecified pathname for the sh utility.

to:
    where shell path is an unspecified pathname for the sh utility.
    It is implementation-defined whether the handlers registered
    with pthread_atfork( ) are called as part of the creation of
    the child process.



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