Minutes of the 14th September 2020 Teleconference Austin-1063 Page 1 of 1 Submitted by Andrew Josey, The Open Group. 15th September 2020 Attendees: Nick Stoughton, USENIX, ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 22 OR Don Cragun, IEEE PASC OR Joerg Schilling, FOKUS Fraunhofer Geoff Clare, The Open Group Eric Ackermann, HPI, University of Potsdam Eric Blake, Red Hat, The Open Group OR Richard Hansen Apologies: Andrew Josey, The Open Group Tom Thompson, IEEE * General news A reminder that we plan to switch the Etherpad authentication to use The Open Group Single Sign on. To test the authentication visit https://etherpad.rhansen.org/p/testing We plan to switch to this updated method most likely on 17 Sep 2020. Please note that you need to have a working login for www.opengroup.org. If you are having issues please contact Andrew. * Outstanding actions (Please note that this section has been flushed to shorten the minutes - to locate the previous set of outstanding actions, look to the minutes from 13th June 2019 and earlier) Bug 1254: "asynchronous list" description uses "command" instead of "AND-OR list" OPEN https://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1254 Action: Joerg to investigate how his shell behaves. Bug 700 - Nick to raise this issue with the C committee Bug 713 - Nick to raise with the C committee. Bug 739 - Nick to raise with the C committee. * Current Business Bug 0000697: Adding of a getdirentries() function https://www.austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=697 j This has a separate etherpad page. https://posix.rhansen.org/p/bug697 We will continue after the Issue 8 draft 1 bug resolution Bug #1364: use of noclobber with files in /tmp Accept as Marked https://www.austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1364 On page 2287 line 73900 section 2.7.2, and page 3587 line 124071 section C.2.7.2, add to the "Notes to Reviewers": If option 2 is adopted in a future draft, note that the change from https://www.austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1364 [^] will need to be reapplied to the option 2 text. On page 2287 line 73909 section 2.7.2, change: Performing these operations atomically ensures that the creation of lock files and unique (often temporary) files is reliable. to: Performing these operations atomically ensures that the creation of lock files and unique (often temporary) files is reliable, with important caveats detailed in [xref to XRAT C.2.7.2]. On page 3588 line 124127 section C.2.7.2, change: The standard developers consider this to be of less importance than ensuring that the creation of lock files is reliable. to: The standard developers consider reliable lock creation to be more important than the creation of symbolic link targets. Creation of lock files and unique (often temporary) files with noclobber set is only reliable provided neither non-regular files nor symbolic links to non-regular files exist or are created in the same directory with the same names, and no other processes delete the files while still in use. If a directory such as /tmp is used for lock files, then another process could accidentally or maliciously create a FIFO (or a special file, given sufficient privilege) with the same name, causing multiple processes to simultaneously open the same lock file instead of one succeeding and the others failing. Bug #1365: rm -v description implies only operands are reported Accept https://www.austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1365 Bug #1366: Out of date rationale for XSI definition Accept https://www.austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1366 Bug #1369: COLUMNS and LINES rationale Accept https://www.austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1369 Bug #1370: Where change history starts OPEN https://www.austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1370 This was left open to get Andrew's view (He is happy with retaining Issue 5 in the CH) Proposed change: On page 3433 line 117421 (XRAT B.1.1) change: The CHANGE HISTORY section for each entry details the technical changes that have been made to that entry from Issue 5. Changes between earlier versions of the base document and Issue 5 are not included. to: The CHANGE HISTORY section for each entry details the technical changes that have been made in Issue 5 and later. Changes made before Issue 5 are not included. On page 3555 line 122714 (XRAT C.1.1) change: The CHANGE HISTORY section for each utility describes technical changes made to that utility from Issue 5. Changes between earlier versions of the base document and Issue 5 are not included. to: The CHANGE HISTORY section for each utility describes technical changes made to that utility in Issue 5 and later. Changes made before Issue 5 are not included. Bug #1383: Make "Application Usage" less confusing. OPEN https://www.austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1383 We started on this item and will return to it on the next call. Gettext draft. We will return to this on a future call. The gettext draft in the etherpad is at https://posix.rhansen.org/p/gettext_draft https://posix.rhansen.org/p/gettext_split Next Steps ---------- The next calls are on: September 17th 2020 (Thursday) This call will be for 90 minutes. September 21st 2020 (Monday) This call will be for 60 minutes. Calls are anchored on US time. (8am Pacific) Please check the calendar invites for dial in details. Bugs are at: https://austingroupbugs.net An etherpad is usually up for the meeting, with a URL using the date format as below: https://posix.rhansen.org/p/20xx-mm-dd username={first part of hostname} password=2115756# (Note that this will switch to use The Open Group single sign on, for those individuals with gitlab.opengroup.org accounts. Please contact Andrew if you need to be setup)