Minutes of the 12th November 2020 Teleconference     Austin-1080 Page 1 of 1
Submitted by Andrew Josey, The Open Group. 13th November 2020

Attendees:
    Nick Stoughton, USENIX, ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 22 OR
    Don Cragun, IEEE PASC OR
    Joerg Schilling, FOKUS Fraunhofer
    Eric Blake, Red Hat, The Open Group OR
    Andrew Josey, The Open Group 
    Geoff Clare, The Open Group
    Mark Ziegast, SHware Systems Dev.
    Richard Hansen
Apologies:
    Eric Ackermann, HPI, University of Potsdam
    Tom Thompson, IEEE

* General news 

Andrew noted that The Open Group New APIs for Issue 8 document will
be out for review . The official dates will be November 24 through
December 22.  Andrew will send an announcement to the Austin Group
who are invited to participate as invited experts.

* Outstanding actions

(Please note that this section has been flushed to shorten the minutes -
to locate the previous set of outstanding actions, look to the minutes
from 13th June 2019 and earlier)

Bug 1254: "asynchronous list" description uses "command" instead of "AND-OR list" OPEN
https://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1254
Action: Joerg to investigate how his shell behaves.

Bug 700 - Nick to raise this issue with the C committee
Bug 713 - Nick to raise with the C committee.
Bug 739 - Nick to raise with the C committee.


* Current Business


Bug 1336: getrusage should recursively include information about children of children       
https://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1336 Accept as Marked

An interpretation required, 
This item is tagged for TC3-2008.

Interpretation response
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The standard states that getrusage() with RUSAGE_CHILDREN only reports on direct children, and conforming implementations must conform to this. However, concerns have been raised about this which are being referred to the sponsor.

Rationale:
No known implementation has ever worked this way.

Notes to the Editor (not part of this interpretation):

On page 1089 lines 36960-36962 section getrusage, change
    If the value of the who argument is RUSAGE_CHILDREN, information
    shall be returned about resources used by the terminated and
    waited-for children of the current process.

to:
    If the value of the who argument is RUSAGE_CHILDREN, information
    shall be returned about resources used by the children of the
    current process that have terminated and been waited-for and
    their children that have terminated and been waited-for,
    recursively.

Andrew took an action to start the interpretation request
(completed after the meeting).


Bug 1337: Clarify socket option values after accept()       Accept
https://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1337

This item is tagged for Issue 8.


Bug 1342: Aliases in command substitutions are handled differently when the command subst is quoted vs not quoted         OPEN
https://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1342

We started discussion on this item and will continue next time.

Gettext draft.

We will return to this on a future call.

The gettext draft in the etherpad is at

https://posix.rhansen.org/p/gettext_draft
https://posix.rhansen.org/p/gettext_split

Next Steps 
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The next calls are on:

November 16th 2020 (Monday) 
This call will be for 60 minutes.

November 19th 2020 (Thursday)
This call will be for 90 minutes.

Calls are anchored on US time. (8am Pacific) 

Please check the calendar invites for dial in details.

Bugs are at:
https://austingroupbugs.net

An etherpad is usually up for the meeting, with a URL using the date format as below:

https://posix.rhansen.org/p/20xx-mm-dd

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