Minutes of the 15th March 2021 Teleconference     Austin-1112 Page 1 of 1
Submitted by Andrew Josey, The Open Group. 16th March 2021

Attendees:
    Nick Stoughton, USENIX, ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 22 OR
    Don Cragun, IEEE PASC OR
    Joerg Schilling
    Eric Blake, Red Hat, The Open Group OR
    Geoff Clare, The Open Group
    Andrew Josey, The Open Group 
    Richard Hansen
    Mark Ziegast, SHware Systems Dev.
    Tom Thompson, IEEE

Apologies:
    Eric Ackermann, HPI, University of Potsdam

* General news 

Reminder:the USA switched to Daylight Saving Time on March 14,
the UK and EU on March 28. All calls are anchored
on US time, so calls between March 14 and 28 will be one 
hour earlier than normal in the UK and EU.

* Outstanding actions

(Please note that this section has been flushed to shorten the minutes -
to locate the previous set of outstanding actions, look to the minutes
from 13th June 2019 and earlier)

Bug 1254: "asynchronous list" description uses "command" instead of "AND-OR list" OPEN
https://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1254
Action: Joerg to investigate how his shell behaves.

Bug 700 - Nick to raise this issue with the C committee
Bug 713 - Nick to raise with the C committee.
Bug 739 - Nick to raise with the C committee.


* Current Business


Bug 1406: clarification of SEEK_END when current pointer doesn't match buffer size OPEN
https://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1406

We are still waiting for input from implementations on this item before proceeding.

Bug #1427: 2.8.1 does not take into account "command" Accepted as Marked
https://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1427

This item is tagged for TC3-2008.

An interpretation is required.


Interpretation response:
The standard is unclear on this issue, and no conformance distinction
can be made between alternative implementations based on this. This
is being referred to the sponsor.

Rationale:
The standard is unclear about whether the shell shall exit when
there is a special built-in utility error if the special built-in
was executed via the command utility. The "Consequences of Shell
Errors" says that the shell shall exit, but the description of the
command utility says that the command utility suppresses the exit.

Notes to the Editor (not part of this interpretation):
On page 2364 in the "Special built-in utility error" row of the
table in 2.8.1 add a 1 superscript after "shall exit" in the
"Non-Interactive Shell" column. Renumber the other superscripts and
notes. After the table insert a new note 1:

    The shell shall exit only if the special built-in utility is
    executed directly. If it is executed via the command utility,
    the shell shall not exit.

On page 2364 lines 75449-75450, change:
    In all of the cases shown in the table where an interactive
    shell is required not to exit, the shell shall not perform any
    further processing of the command in which the error occurred.
to:

    In all of the cases shown in the table where an interactive
    shell is required not to exit and a non-interactive shell is
    required to exit, an interactive shell shall not perform any
    further processing of the command in which the error occurred.


Bug 1428: Add definitions of "negative" and "positive" Accepted
https://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1428

This item is tagged for TC3-2008.


Bug 1429: recvfrom does not specify the errno on timeout when the SO_RCVTIMEO option has been set OPEN
https://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1429

We started on this item and will return to this item next time.

Gettext draft.

We will return to this on a future call.

The gettext draft in the etherpad is at

https://posix.rhansen.org/p/gettext_draft
https://posix.rhansen.org/p/gettext_split

Next Steps 
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The next calls are on:

March 18th 2020 (Thursday)
This call will be for 90 minutes.

March 22nd 2021 (Monday) 
This call will be for 60 minutes.

Apologies in advance:
Eric Ackermann, Thu 2021-03-18 until Thu 2021-03-25

Calls are anchored on US time. (8am Pacific) 

Note that the US clocks will change on March 14th 2021.

Please check the calendar invites for dial in details.

Bugs are at:
https://austingroupbugs.net

An etherpad is usually up for the meeting, with a URL using the date format as below:

https://posix.rhansen.org/p/20xx-mm-dd

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