Minutes of the 19th June 2023 Teleconference    Austin-1320 Page 1 of 1
Submitted by Andrew Josey, The Open Group.         19th June 2023

Attendees:
    Don Cragun,  IEEE PASC OR
    Nick Stoughton, Logitech/USENIX, ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 22 OR (partial)
    Andrew Josey, The Open Group
    Mark Ziegast, SHware Systems Dev.

Apologies
    Geoff Clare, The Open Group
    Eric Blake, Red Hat, The Open Group OR
    Eric Ackermann, HPI, University of Potsdam
    Tom Thompson, IEEE

* General news

We are continuing the Monday calls again now the ballots have closed.
We agreed that there will be no calls on the week commencing July 3.

* Current Business


Bug 1693: Align behavior of -s with existing practice     Accepted as Marked
https://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1693
This item is tagged for Issue 8


Change in make options on P3105, L104539:
    <blockquote>Do not write makefile <i>command lines</i></blockquote>
to:
    <blockquote>Do not write makefile <i>execution lines</i> (see Makefile Execution on page xxx)</blockquote>

(editors notes: As an example of the reference, see line 104683 on p3018)

Bug 1694: Use consistent wording for 'in the order specified' Accept
https://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1694
This item is tagged for Issue 8

1695: Description of MAKEFLAGS has confusing cross reference to word splitting Duplicate of 1653
https://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1695

Bug 1696: Effect of -s when no work needs to be done Accepted as Marked
https://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1696
This item is tagged for Issue 8

Change in make STDOUT section on P3107, L104627-104633:
    <blockquote>The <i>make</i> utility shall write all commands
    to be executed to standard output unless the <b>−s</b> option
    was specified, the command is prefixed with an at-sign, or the
    special target <b>.SILENT</b> has either the current target as
    a prerequisite or has no prerequisites. If make is invoked
    without any work needing to be done, it shall write a message
    to standard output indicating that no action was taken. If the
    <b>−t</b> option is present and a file is touched, make shall
    write to standard output a message of unspecified format
    indicating that the file was touched, including the filename
    of the file.</blockquote>
to:
    <blockquote>If <i>make</i> is invoked without any work needing
    to be done, it shall write a message to standard output indicating
    that no action was taken.  Otherwise, the <i>make</i> utility
    shall write all commands to be executed (and the filenames of
    files touched for the <b>-t</b> option in a message of unspecified
    format) to standard output unless the <b>−s</b> option was
    specified, the command is prefixed with an at-sign, or the
    special target <b>.SILENT</b> has either the current target as
    a prerequisite or has no prerequisites.</blockquote>


We will continue with Issue 8 Draft 3 ballot resolution on the next call.
The next item is 

Bug 1697: Consider replacing out-of-date with not up-to-date
https://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1697


Next Steps
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The next call is on:
   Thu 2023-06-22 (general bugs/ballot resolution)
   Mon 2023-06-26 (general bugs/ballot resolution)
   Thu 2023-06-29 (general bugs/ballot resolution)

No calls on July 3rd or July 6th

The calls are for 90 minutes

Calls are anchored on US time. (8am Pacific)

Apologies in Advance:
    Eric Blake: June 15 through July 6

Please check the calendar invites for dial in details.

Bugs are at:
https://austingroupbugs.net

An etherpad is usually up for the meeting, with a URL using the date format as below:

https://posix.rhansen.org/p/20xx-mm-dd

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