Minutes of the 10th July 2023 Teleconference Austin-1324 Page 1 of 1 Submitted by Andrew Josey, The Open Group. 11th July 2023 Attendees: Don Cragun, IEEE PASC OR Andrew Josey, The Open Group (partial) Geoff Clare, The Open Group Eric Ackermann, HPI, University of Potsdam Eric Blake, Red Hat, The Open Group OR Apologies Nick Stoughton, Logitech/USENIX, ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 22 OR (partial) Tom Thompson, IEEE Mark Ziegast, SHware Systems Dev. * General news The next call on Thursday will be a Zoom meeting. * Current Business Note for issue resolution all items are tagged for Issue 8 unless noted otherwise or disposition is reject or duplicate. Bug 1718: Proofread 'with respect to' Rejected https://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1718 The description of $^ is worded that way to match the wording of $?:
where prog is not out-of-date with respect to file1.o, but is out-of-date with respect to file2.o and file3.o
There are 125 other places in the draft using "with respect to". It is in common use in English and we don't know of any alternative wording that would be any easier for non-English speakers to understand. Therefore, this bug is rejected. Bug 1719: Re-evaluate 'shall be unspecified' Accepted https://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1719 Bug 1720: Remove 'should' for 'makefile authors' Accepted https://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1720 Bug 1721: Add missing numbering Accepted https://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1721 Accepted, resolved, issue8 tag Bug 1722: Typos Accepted as Marked https://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1722 Make the changes suggested in the Desired Action except for the change to line 105777. Bug 1723: Re-check whether POSIX make is still a subset of almost all implementations Accepgted as Marked https://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1723 Change: Because the syntax specified for the make utility is, by and large, a subset of the syntaxes accepted by almost all versions of make, it was decided that it would be counter-productive to change the name. to: Because the syntax specified for the make utility was, by and large, a subset of the syntaxes accepted by almost all versions of make when the original IEEE Std 1003.2-1992 shell and utilities standard was being developed, it was decided that it would be counter-productive to change the name. Bug 1724: Duplicate paragraph 'do not do this' Rejected https://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1724 The paragraph pointed to by this bug report is in Application Usage. The second paragraph that is similar, but not identical, is in Rationale. They are not duplicates but are aimed at different audiences and serve different purposes. Therefore, this bug is rejected. Bug 1726: strlcat specification is ambiguous regarding return value Accepted as Marked https://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1726 Change: Upon successful completion, the strlcat() function shall return the initial length of the string pointed to by dst plus the length of the string pointed to by src. to: Upon successful completion, the strlcat() function shall return the initial length of the string (if any) pointed to by dst, as limited by dstsize, plus the length of the string pointed to by src; that is, the value that would be returned by strnlen(dst, dstsize) + strlen(src) before the strlcat() call. We will continue with Issue 8 Draft 3 ballot resolution on the next call. The next item is Bug 1727: strptime() spec needs updates to deal with other changes. https://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1727 Next Steps ---------- The next call is on: Thu 2023-07-13 (Zoom meeting- general bugs/ballot resolution) Mon 2023-07-17 (General bugs/ballot resolution) The calls are for 90 minutes Calls are anchored on US time. (8am Pacific) Please check the calendar invites for dial in details. Bugs are at: https://austingroupbugs.net An etherpad is usually up for the meeting, with a URL using the date format as below: https://posix.rhansen.org/p/20xx-mm-dd (For write access this uses The Open Group single sign on, for those individuals with gitlab.opengroup.org accounts. Please contact Andrew if you need to be setup)