Minutes of the 18th April 2024 Teleconference    Austin-1400 Page 1 of 1
Submitted by Andrew Josey, The Open Group.         18th April 2024


Attendees:
    Don Cragun, IEEE SA OR
    Nick Stoughton, USENIX, ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 22 OR
    Andrew Josey, The Open Group (partial)
    Eric Blake, Red Hat, The Open Group OR
    Geoff Clare, The Open Group
    Eric Ackermann, CISPA
    Tom Thompson, IEEE
   
Apologies
    Mark Ziegast, SHware Systems Dev

* General news

A reminder there is no meeting on Monday 22nd, and that the meeting
on the 25th is using a different Webex bridge to normal.

* Current Business

1797: strftime "%s" should be able to examine tm_gmtoff OPEN
https://austingroupbugs.net/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=1797

We will continue this item next time that Paul is available (expected in April).


Bug 1813: generic xargs description cleanups Accepted as Marked
https://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1813

This item is tagged for TC1-2024, and will require an interpretation timer to start after approval of Issue 8.

Interpretation response:
The standard is unclear on this issue, and no conformance distinction
can be made between alternative implementations based on this. This
is being referred to the sponsor.

Rationale:
None.

Notes to the Editor (not part of this interpretation):

On page 3600 line 123176, change:
    the application shall ensure that arguments in the standard
    input are delimited by unquoted <blank> characters, unescaped
    <blank> characters, or <newline> characters
to:
    the application shall ensure that arguments in the standard
    input are delimited by <blank> characters that are neither
    quoted nor escaped, or by unescaped <newline> characters

After page 3600 line 123183, add two bullet items:
	Quoting and escaping characters shall not be included in
	the arguments passed to utility. Escaped <newline> characters
	shall be included in the arguments.

        It shall be an error if an attempt is made to quote a <newline> character.

On page 3601 line 123231, change:
    or {LINE_MAX} if there is no −s option
to:
    or the default command line length if there is no −s option

On page 3601 line 123232, change:
    The last iteration has fewer than number, but not zero, operands remaining.
to:
    The last iteration has fewer than number operands remaining,
    or zero arguments were read from standard input (and the -r
    option is not specified).

On page 3602 line 123263, change:
    The name of the utility to be invoked, found by search path using ...
to:
    The name of the utility to be invoked. If the name does not
    contain a <slash> character, the utility shall be found by
    search path using ...

On page 3603 line 123302, change:
    If the −t option is specified, the utility and its constructed
    argument list shall be written to standard error, as it will
    be invoked, prior to invocation.
to:
    If the −t option is specified, the utility and its constructed
    argument list, with a <space> character preceding each argument
    and a terminating <newline>, shall be written to standard error,
    as it will be invoked, prior to invocation. Implementations may
    insert quoting and escaping characters in the output produced
    by -t such that the output (minus the utility name) can be
    unambiguously used as input to a subsequent xargs command and
    result in the same constructed argument list.

On page 3603 line 123304, change:
    a prompt of the following format shall be written (in the POSIX
    locale):

    "?..."

    at the end of the line of the output from −t.
to:
    a prompt shall be written at the end of the line of the output
    from −t. In the POSIX locale, the format of the prompt shall
    be:

    "?..."

Next Steps 
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The next call is on:
  Mon 2024-04-22 NO MEETING
  Thu 2024-04-25 (WEBEX meeting - general bugs) (note different webex)
  Mon 2024-04-29 (WEBEX meeting - general bugs) 

Apologies in advance:
2024-04-25 Nick Stoughton

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