Minutes of the 19th December 2024 Teleconference    Austin-1440 Page 1 of 1
Submitted by Andrew Josey, The Open Group.        20th December 2024

Attendees:
    Don Cragun, IEEE SA OR
    Andrew Josey, The Open Group
    Geoff Clare, The Open Group
    Eric Ackermann, CISPA
    Eric Blake, Red Hat, The Open Group OR
    Damien Sticklen

Apologies
    Nick Stoughton, USENIX, ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 22 OR

We confirmed the calendar for upcoming meetings adding a meeting
on January 16th. As a reminder we will take a break until January
9th.

There is no change in status of progress with ISO approval.


* Open Business

Bug 1876: clarify, whether a trap action that is executed from a   OPEN
context where set -e is ignored, would have set -e ignored, too
https://www.austingroupbugs.net/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=1876

Andrew took an action to ask shell developers to comment on this issue.
(completed by sending an email to the reflector: austin-group-l:archive/latest/37925).

* Current Business

Bug 1891: Many function references lack "()" suffix 
https://www.austingroupbugs.net/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=1891

This is a bug against the online publications and is under investigation.

Bug 1892: definition of `{location}>redir-op word` does not specify whether a qouted location is still considered part of the redirection
https://www.austingroupbugs.net/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=1892

Accepted as marked, resolved, tc1-2024 tag.

On page 2493 line line 80974 section 2.7 Redirection, change:
    <blockquote>If <i>n</i> is quoted, the number shall not be
    recognized ...</blockquote>
to:

    <blockquote>If any part of <i>n</i> is quoted, the number shall
    not be recognized ...</blockquote>

Bug 1893: Many links are followed by extra spaces
https://www.austingroupbugs.net/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=1893

This is an online publications issue.  Some changes have been made and the
html refreshed. This is still under investigation.

Bug 1894: Return value for bind_textdomain_codeset() is ambiguous
https://www.austingroupbugs.net/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=1894

AI: Andrew to contact Bruno for input on this issue.

Bug 1895: XSH/XCU/XRAT prefixes missing from some cross-references
https://www.austingroupbugs.net/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=1895

Accepted as marked, resolved, tc1-2024 tag.

On page 69 line 2114, change:
    <blockquote>Section 2.14</blockquote>
to:
    <blockquote>XCU Section 2.14</blockquote>

On page 189 line 6762, change:
    <blockquote>Section A.9</blockquote>
to:
    <blockquote>XRAT Section A.9</blockquote>


Bug 1896: Harm caused by permanent redirections on failure to 'exec' a utility in the interactive shell
https://www.austingroupbugs.net/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=1896

Accepted as marked, resolved, tc1-2024 tag.

On page 2538 line 82774 section exec, change:
    <blockquote>If the <i>exec</i> command fails and the shell does
    not exit, any redirections ...</blockquote>
to:
    <blockquote>If an <i>exec</i> command with no operands fails
    and the shell does not exit, any redirections ...</blockquote>


Bug 1897: forward compatibility of utilities have options that extend POSIX but are not strictly required to support --
https://www.austingroupbugs.net/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=1897

Accepted as marked, Interpretation required, tc1-2024 tag.

Timer started 2024-12-20.

Interpretation response:
The standard does not speak to this issue, and as such no conformance
distinction can be made between alternative implementations based
on this. This is being referred to the sponsor.

Rationale:

The requirement for recognizing "--" as a first argument to be
discarded was intended to apply to all utilities that say "None"
in options. However, the use of the phrase "that do not accept
options" means that utilities that accept options as an extension
were not included.

Applications also rely on being able to pass arguments beginning
with '-' after an operand and not have it be treated as an option.
For example, printf '%d\n' -2

Notes to the Editor (not part of this interpretation):

On page 2463 line 79710 section 1.4 Utility Description Defaults, after:
    <blockquote>Standard utilities that do not accept options, but
    that do accept operands, shall recognize "--" as a first argument
    to be discarded.</blockquote>

add a sentence:
    <blockquote>Standard utilities that are not required to accept
    options but accept them as an extension, and which accept
    operands, shall conform to Guidelines 9 and 10 of [xref to XBD
    Section 12.2].</blockquote>


Next Steps 
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The next calls are on
 Thu 2025-01-09 (WEBEX meeting - general bugs)
 Thu 2025-01-16 (WEBEX meeting - general bugs)


The calls are for 90 minutes

Calls are anchored on US time. (8am Pacific)

Please check the calendar invites for dial in details.

Bugs are at:
https://austingroupbugs.net

An etherpad is usually up for the meeting, with a URL using the date
format as below:

https://posix.rhansen.org/p/20xx-mm-dd

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Please contact Andrew if you need to be setup)