Minutes of the 14 August 2014 Teleconference Austin-670 Page 1 of 1 Submitted by Andrew Josey, The Open Group. 15 August 2014 Attendees: Andrew Josey, The Open Group Don Cragun, IEEE PASC OR Nick Stoughton, USENIX, ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 22 OR Geoff Clare, The Open Group Joerg Schilling FOKUS Fraunhofer Mark Ziegast, SHware Systems David Clissold, IBM Matthew Dempsky, OpenBSD Mark Brown, Canonical Apologies Richard Hansen, BBN Martin Rehak, Oracle Eric Blake, Red Hat * General news We discussed Mantis usernames. It was agreed to continue with current adhoc reviews of usernames registering for Mantis (carried out by the mantis admin). On the PASC PAR approval progress - Nick has completed action to circulate the last known voting list. Don will now progress to get this updated as per current PASC procedures, so we can have the PAR progress to a vote. The c11 alignment list has been setup as actioned last week, and an initial kick off email circulated. As a reminder, existing Austin Group participants can join the new austin-c11-alignment list by accessing https://collaboration.opengroup.org/platform/single_unix_specification/protected/mailinglists.php This has the set of additional lists that Austin Group members can self subscribe to (you will need to login first - in the left panel). * Outstanding actions +Bug 0000251: Forbid newline, or even bytes 1 through 31 (inclusive), in filenames OPEN http://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=251 Don has an action to produce a proposal. +Bug 0000561: NUL-termination of sun_path in Unix sockets OPEN http://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=561 Eric has an action to update the proposal. +Bug 0000573: Please add '+' to the portable filename character set OPEN http://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=573 Joerg has an action to prepare a proposed change. +Bug 0000592: consistent use of struct timespec OPEN http://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=592 Jim had provided additional information in bugnote 1627. This was discussed and Jim took an action to provide further information. +Bug 0000598: OH shading and new interfaces OPEN http://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=598 Eric has an action to propose a new solution with self-contained headers. +Bug 0000517: EBNF support OPEN http://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=517 Action on Joerg to look at this. +Bug 0000633: SIGEV_THREAD delivery renders many signal interfaces unsafe OPEN http://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=633 We noted that feedback has settled down on the mailing list, and will discuss next session. +Bug 0000657: Conditions under which fmemopen() write a NUL to the buffer are insufficiently specified OPEN http://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=657 Eric has an action to propose wording to clarify the behavior for fmemopen(), and also to contact the glibc developers to get their feedback. +Bug 0000658: Undefined/unspecified behavior clauses in description of open have race conditions OPEN http://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=658 It was noted that there is some overlap with changes in TC1. Eric took an action to update the proposal to resolve the overlaps appropriately. +Bug 0000615: pthread_setcancelstate should be async-signal-safe OPEN http://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=615 We now have reports on AIX and Apple. Jim to report back on whether pthread_cancelstate() is async-signal-safe on Solaris. Andrew to ask HP whether pthread_cancelstate() is async-signal-safe on HP-UX. +Bug 0000672: Necessary step(s) to synchronize filename operations on disk OPEN http://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=672 Geoff has a new proposed resolution in note 1618. Decided to solicit input from FS developers. Eric to go to Linux, David to AIX and Jim to Solaris. Jim has completed his action (see bugnote 1691). Andrew should chase HP and Apple for input. +Bug 0000663: Specification of str[n]casecmp is ambiguous reopened http://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=663 Action on David to follow up with the IBM developers about the EBCDIC collation sequence. Bug 696 either NAME_MAX shouldn't be optional, or readdir_r() needs clarification http://www.austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=696 Don has an action to propose a resolution. Bug 0000721: Internal storage vs static storage OPEN http://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=721 This item is still open. Bug 0000375: Extend test/[...] conditionals: ==, <, >, -nt, -ot, -ef OPEN http://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=375 This is still left open due to discussions pending on the reflector. Bug 0000789: Add set -o pipefail OPEN http://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=789 * Current Business Bug #851: pthread_atfork orphans handlers in unloaded shared libraries OPEN http://www.austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=851 Action item: Andrew should try and contact to Finnbarr Murphy. (Status: Andrew has sent a query to Finnbarr via linked.in, Don has also now sent Andrew an email contact) Bug #854: requirement for additional built-in utilities to be searched for via $PATH was not and is not existing practice OPEN http://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=854 Action: Andrew to ask David Korn to comment on this bug and the previous email discussion of the issue (seq 21270). Action completed - awaiting response from David. Bug #857: Make rules which do not create the target file or do unexpected things with its timestamp OPEN http://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=857 This item was discussed at length on the call, and will will be continued on the next call. During the call we considered the sample Makefile from comment 0002340. We found that GNU, Sun, AIX, and HP-UX make did not run "touch one" when file "two" already exists, whereas smake did. Also, we discovered that HP-UX make considers targets with the same timestamp as their prerequisites as out-of-date, whereas GNU, Sun, AIX, and smake consider them up-to-date. Current wording in aardvark: A target is considered out-of-date when all of its prerequisites are up-to-date and it is older than any of them, or if it does not exist. Should we add to that: A target may also be considered out-of-date when it has the same timestamp as any of its prerequisites. ? It is unspecified whether a target is out-of-date when..... Add a new paragraph to the RATIONALE on P2954, after L97847: On most historic systems, the make utility considered a target with a prerequisite that had an identical timestamp up-to-date. The HP-UX implementation of make treated it as out-of-date. The standard now allows either behavior, but implementaions are encouraged to follow the example set by HP-UX. This is especially important on filesystems where the timestamp resolution is the minimum (1 second) required by the standard. All implementations of make should make full use of the finest timestamp resolution available on the filesystems holding targets and prerequisites to ensure that targets are up-to-date even for prerequistie files with timestamps that were updated within the same second. Next Steps ---------- The next call is on August 21, 2014 (a Thursday) Calls are anchored on US time. (8am Pacific) This call will be for the regular 90 minutes. http://austingroupbugs.net An IRC channel will be available for the meeting irc://irc.freenode.net/austingroupbugs An etherpad is usually up for the meeting, with a URL using the date format as below: http://posix@posix.rhansen.org:9001/p/201x-mm-dd password=2115756#